Cost of Feeding Detainee Children Breakfast Per Day
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| Does it really cost $38 to provide acceptable food to a Muslim? Or any other religion. Not if even a small measure of thrift and planning is applied. |
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| Now if there was only a state willing to build a prison for terrorists....I wonder which right wing state is gonna step up to the plate for that. |
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| Quote: Originally Posted by EddieB.Good Yes... let's make a big deal about how much we pay to feed an illegally imprisoned population. What kind of amenities would you consider fair trade for being illegally detained for over a decade w/ no prospect of release? "Hotel Gitmo?" I really want to call you an a-hole, but I won't. Did you not see this in my OP: Quote: Just how much more "intelligence" can they get from detainees that have been confined for 10 years? Let me help you: I'm questioning the continued detention of these people. These people have been detained close to or at least a decade. If they can't be tried for crimes then send them home to their country and families. If there is proof to bring them to trial then do so, if found guilty, put them in a prison like every other person who is found guilty of committing a crime. If found not guilty, then let them go home. Is feeding the captives well and making them comfortable supposed to make up for detaining them without bringing them to trial? Why does this government continue to hold them? What purpose does it serve? And you may think about taking the insult back. Otherwise you would be the a-hole. Last edited by softblueyz; 04-09-2013 at 07:37 AM.. |
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| Quote: Originally Posted by NoJiveMan Please do keep in mind DD that some of those detainees released were found back on the battlefield. I'm totally against incarceration without due process of law, but I do wished they'd get moving on either proving innocence or guilt, and not detain POW's for a their lifetime, heck, they released Japanese Americans after WWII and didn't hold those people indefinitely. Blue Eyes has a point, but America can't treat POW's like other nations do, like desecrating bodies, beheading and so forth, we're much better than that. I do agree with you to a point. Not all the detainees were found on the battlefield. Many were "given up" falsely by captives, some of then innocent themselves. People do whatever it takes and tell people whatever they want to hear to get out of a situation they don't belong in. If you were innocent, were held for months or years and interrogated, denied, deprived, belittled, would you not harbor hatred towards your captors? They took innocent people and ended up creating a terrorist. You really believe we are above mistreating these prisoners? Because BY LAW there were methods that we could not use on captives who were on American soil, so these captives who were brought to America were sent by our government to Syria and Egypt to be interrogated. Does waterboarding ring a bell? Did you ever read about the Syrian-Canadian man who had to stop over in JFK to connect to his flight to Canada and was detained by the government, was not allowed to contact his family or the Canadian authorities, and was sent to a Syria interrogation camp then to Egypt? It took him 2 years to return to Canada. What was his crime? He had a name that was the same as a suspected terrorist. In every ME country there are hundreds of people that share the same name that are spelled the same or there is a variation. |
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| Quote: Originally Posted by softblueyz Did you not see this in my OP: Let me help you: I'm questioning the continued detention of these people. These people have been detained close to or at least a decade. If they can't be tried for crimes then send them home to their country and families. If there is proof to bring them to trial then do so, if found guilty, put them in a prison like every other person who is found guilty of committing a crime. If found not guilty, then let them go home. Is feeding the captives well and making them comfortable supposed to make up for detaining them without bringing them to trial? Why does this government continue to hold them? What purpose does it serve? And you may think about taking the insult back. Otherwise you would be the a-hole. "Hotel Gitmo"... nuff said. |
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| Quote: Originally Posted by softblueyz Not all the detainees were found on the battlefield. Many were "given up" falsely by captives, some of then innocent themselves. People do whatever it takes and tell people whatever they want to hear to get out of a situation they don't belong in. If you were innocent, were held for months or years and interrogated, denied, deprived, belittled, would you not harbor hatred towards your captors? They took innocent people and ended up creating a terrorist. You really believe we are above mistreating these prisoners? Because BY LAW there were methods that we could not use on captives who were on American soil, so these captives who were brought to America were sent by our government to Syria and Egypt to be interrogated. Does waterboarding ring a bell? Did you ever read about the Syrian-Canadian man who had to stop over in JFK to connect to his flight to Canada and was detained by the government, was not allowed to contact his family or the Canadian authorities, and was sent to a Syria interrogation camp then to Egypt? It took him 2 years to return to Canada. What was his crime? He had a name that was the same as a suspected terrorist. In every ME country there are hundreds of people that share the same name that are spelled the same or there is a variation. Well, I know ALL of that, so there's no need to be condescending here with me, as I am familiar with the torturing of detainees. In your OP, you blamed the current president for GITMO's short-comings. And I pointed out that fallacy too. In your OP, you also tried to pin the cost of feeding detainees to the sequester. And I pointed out that we, America are better than just to throw a package of Oscar Mayer bologna at them and say, this is what you get, take it or leave it. Don't you honestly believe if we detain POW's we should be treating them with respect and dignity as to their culture? Because you know, if we don't, and you know that if word got out we forced our foods and culture upon someone different than us, it would only inflame people in ME countries even more. If any of our service members are captured abroad, we sincerely hope that they will be treated with respect and dignity too. Would you believe me if I told you that some American-Muslims were rounded up by the FBI and held without due process of law immediately following the 9/11/01 attacks? People who had absolutely noting to do with any terrorist organizations? Our government did the very same thing when it declared war upon Japan. If you are, or were really concerned about POW's being detained, you could look up a human rights website and see for yourself just how slow our government really moves on this issue. Instead, you come to the forum flailing about and dropping innuendos about who, what how, and why POW's are being detained. I am still trying to figure out the logic behind this thread. |
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| Quote: Originally Posted by UNC4Me It needs to be closed not upgraded. Obama needs to do so ASAP. obama made the promise to close it, all he wanted was votes. Why is he not held up to his word. A man use to keep his word, but he is no man. He is controlled by his handlers, and they make money off of gitmo. No different than bush. he is a warmonger just like his buddy bush. Blame bush all you want, but obama has many friends that control him, they make money off of govt contracts. Keep thinking that obama is different that the other presidents. All he has is a darker tan. |
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| Quote: Originally Posted by NoJiveMan I am still trying to figure out the logic behind this thread. That you should be mad that Gitmo exists b/c they spend $38 dollars on food for illegally detained people w/ no prospects of release, and not b/c they are illegally detaining people w/ no prospects on releasing them? |
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| Quote: Originally Posted by NoJiveMan Please do keep in mind DD that some of those detainees released were found back on the battlefield. I'm totally against incarceration without due process of law, but I do wished they'd get moving on either proving innocence or guilt, and not detain POW's for a their lifetime, heck, they released Japanese Americans after WWII and didn't hold those people indefinitely. Blue Eyes has a point, but America can't treat POW's like other nations do, like desecrating bodies, beheading and so forth, we're much better than that. I do agree with you to a point. If they don't want us on their soil, why shouldn't they go back to the battlefield? I'd go back too. I'm not holding that against them. |
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| Quote: Originally Posted by softblueyz It was built to be a "temporary" holding center. They weren't thinking decades ahead when building it. You seem to be assuming they were thinking at all - I am not sure the evidence supports that hypothesis. Just another lovely Bush-era mess for somebody else to clean up. But hey, at least Halliburton got a $30-million contract to build the facility, so - mission accomplished on that one. |
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